Comments on: Roundtable – Episode 1×13 “Epitaph One” – Part B http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-1x13-partb/ A community driven podcast centering around the new Joss Whedon TV series Dollhouse. Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:18:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tom http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-1x13-partb/comment-page-1/#comment-4140 Tom Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:47:34 +0000 http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-%e2%80%93-episode-1%c3%9713-%e2%80%9cepitaph-one%e2%80%9d-part-b/#comment-4140 Ooh, you're right. I see that now! Thanks so much, Brad! Ooh, you’re right. I see that now! Thanks so much, Brad!

]]> By: Brad http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-1x13-partb/comment-page-1/#comment-4088 Brad Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:46:16 +0000 http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-%e2%80%93-episode-1%c3%9713-%e2%80%9cepitaph-one%e2%80%9d-part-b/#comment-4088 Hey Tom! For some weird reason that only Steve Jobs could figure out.....iTunes doesn't like to report the length correctly all of the time. Dunno why....just seems to happen sometimes. HOWEVER I do know for a fact that the files do download and play just fine. Hey Tom!

For some weird reason that only Steve Jobs could figure out…..iTunes doesn’t like to report the length correctly all of the time. Dunno why….just seems to happen sometimes. HOWEVER I do know for a fact that the files do download and play just fine.

]]> By: Tom http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-1x13-partb/comment-page-1/#comment-4051 Tom Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:32:15 +0000 http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-%e2%80%93-episode-1%c3%9713-%e2%80%9cepitaph-one%e2%80%9d-part-b/#comment-4051 Um . . . hi. I met Jen at the convention and sat on a panel with her. She told me about the podcast. But I'm looking at the iTunes list and, um, all the podcasts are only a minute long? Really? We talked for 40 minutes or more at the con about the show without taking a breath! Is there something I'm missing here? Thanks, Tom H. SF Media Track DragonCon Um . . . hi. I met Jen at the convention and sat on a panel with her. She told me about the podcast.

But I’m looking at the iTunes list and, um, all the podcasts are only a minute long? Really? We talked for 40 minutes or more at the con about the show without taking a breath!

Is there something I’m missing here?

Thanks,
Tom H.
SF Media Track
DragonCon

]]> By: Happycat http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-1x13-partb/comment-page-1/#comment-3883 Happycat Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:45:31 +0000 http://www.thedollhousepodcast.com/2009/08/31/roundtable-%e2%80%93-episode-1%c3%9713-%e2%80%9cepitaph-one%e2%80%9d-part-b/#comment-3883 Nice, was looking for this for a while, a suggestion is to not have such a long wait when its basically one episode split in half. Ok, some feedback: I agree with a lot of Johns points (except about the light levels maybe) even though the future-speak was just a mild nuisance to me. The big problem for me was that it felt like I was watching a very stupid show compared to the latter half of season 1. What really grabs me about Dollhouse is that it describes the mechanisms of exploitation and oppression so very well. It's not so much that the dollhouse is morally gray, I think it's obviously a very very bad place. But more that you can see that decent and lovable people can be part of a system that is inherently oppressive and damaging and actually uphold that system without any evil masterplan but through ignorance, self-justification and because they enjoy some benefits from it. The show has also masterfully made the viewer almost complicit in the exploitation of the dolls, and made us question how we project out fantasies on other people and how society, culture etc. forms our expectations. In Epitaph One this is all torn down and we are back to good family vs evil corporation, complete with zombies! It felt very much like Firefly and even TSCC which I like alright but has never engaged me like Dollhouse does. It felt like the very interesting conflict at the heart of the show, how can someone (Echo) fight the imprinting and develop a sense of self in the face of this oppressive technology, had been replaced by an apocalypse storyline which ironically does not feel like it matters very much. I hope and think that season 2 will build more on the later season 1 than on this episode. But the nearly universal approval bothers me, do people really want cookie cutter shows with obvious and simple moral conflicts? Nice, was looking for this for a while, a suggestion is to not have such a long wait when its basically one episode split in half.

Ok, some feedback:

I agree with a lot of Johns points (except about the light levels maybe) even though the future-speak was just a mild nuisance to me. The big problem for me was that it felt like I was watching a very stupid show compared to the latter half of season 1. What really grabs me about Dollhouse is that it describes the mechanisms of exploitation and oppression so very well. It’s not so much that the dollhouse is morally gray, I think it’s obviously a very very bad place. But more that you can see that decent and lovable people can be part of a system that is inherently oppressive and damaging and actually uphold that system without any evil masterplan but through ignorance, self-justification and because they enjoy some benefits from it. The show has also masterfully made the viewer almost complicit in the exploitation of the dolls, and made us question how we project out fantasies on other people and how society, culture etc. forms our expectations.

In Epitaph One this is all torn down and we are back to good family vs evil corporation, complete with zombies! It felt very much like Firefly and even TSCC which I like alright but has never engaged me like Dollhouse does. It felt like the very interesting conflict at the heart of the show, how can someone (Echo) fight the imprinting and develop a sense of self in the face of this oppressive technology, had been replaced by an apocalypse storyline which ironically does not feel like it matters very much.

I hope and think that season 2 will build more on the later season 1 than on this episode. But the nearly universal approval bothers me, do people really want cookie cutter shows with obvious and simple moral conflicts?

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